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Post by Gavin McMahon on Mar 9, 2018 13:25:16 GMT -5
Sliding time scale should definitely go. And dead means dead (unless you intended the death to develop as part of a story) is infinitely more interesting. It lets the heroes face real consequences.
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Post by johncheese on Mar 9, 2018 13:27:09 GMT -5
Sliding time scale should definitely go. And dead means dead (unless you intended the death to develop as part of a story) is infinitely more interesting. It lets the heroes face real consequences. Dead means dead here anyway. There's a whole facility of corpses in M2K that'll back that up
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Post by hardwick on Mar 9, 2018 13:35:20 GMT -5
What about an alternate reality where Heroes and Villains have joined to fight a common foe? Like vampires have become the dominant species, so the Avengers is now populated by Captain America and Dr Doom. We could get some really cool teams.
Just a straight dividing line for good versus evil. If you see an orc in Lord of the Rings you know it’s evil. Some kind of planetary invasion. It doesn’t have to be vampires or orcs, but just some unifying evil.
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Post by Gavin McMahon on Mar 9, 2018 13:44:49 GMT -5
If Ultimate/Refresh isn't for everything and a different period kind of setting is, I think titles like those under the 1602 banner were pretty cool.
It still has the good, the bad and everything in between but could have both "heroes" and "villains" alike being slightly more opportunistic in their goals and ambitions. New Amsterdam could be run by a Dutch colony that's led by Raven Darkholme with her son, Kurt, and she rules with an iron fist until a mysterious escapee from a French colony, the enigmatic Rogue, arrives and threatens everything she's built. Strange is a man ahead of his time, curious about the world around him as he settles into a life in the Roanoke Colony but could a meeting with the mysterious Clea or the Native American Michael Twoyoungmen (stealing him from Canada) change his perception of the world around him? Asgardians, the Greek Pantheon, and more. What if they aren't Gods from distant places but Gods of the very land, interacting and manipulating those who worship them? Roberto da Costa is a lowly Spanish conquistador until the invasion of South America grants him the ability to be something more, a king and a god to the Aztec people?
I think a lot of core concepts and organisations are transferrable, the form they take would just be more interesting with a different background. 1602 is just an example, the time period could be anything pre-WW1 really.
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Post by DD Doyle on Mar 9, 2018 14:22:53 GMT -5
So far I have no objections which is actually a drawback lol since it doesn't help narrow anything down heh I like Ultimate I like the different era idea I like the no sliding timescale idea So I'm pretty good across the board The one I would say nay to is probably the "unifying evil" idea as frankly I've never cared for that concept. I like complex characters. In LotR it was kind of boring good v evil no layers, I prefer a game of thrones morality everyone had their reasons, their pov, everyone is a three dimensional character (with some exception lol) Another idea I'd throw into the mix since we were talking Netflix. One idea I've always thought about and always expected to find some site banking on was "what if D.C. got the Netflix deal?" Same kind of shows, same style of storytelling but with minor DC characters instead of minor marvel ones. Something to think about.
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Post by brawl2099 on Mar 9, 2018 15:56:24 GMT -5
Ultimate is cool, but it’s been done to death, and most of us here have already written Ultimate stories. I’m much more interested in seeing a shared continuity based on a single theme or event that doesn’t just redo what’s already happened. Something like put all the characters in Ancient Rome, or everyone’s powers come from magic, or Xavier is the supreme ruler, or get rid of the sliding time scale, or establish a colony on an alien world, or... You get the point. It's a good point. That's why, IMO, if you do Ultimate, you gotta go different. Don't freeze Steve Rogers and make Captain America a "legacy" title currently held by Sam Wilson. Make the X-Men a completely different line-up and give everyone more modern backgrounds. Totally screw with Spider-Man's origin and background. Same ol' isn't worth doing yet again.
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Post by brawl2099 on Mar 9, 2018 15:58:44 GMT -5
What about an alternate reality where Heroes and Villains have joined to fight a common foe? Like vampires have become the dominant species, so the Avengers is now populated by Captain America and Dr Doom. We could get some really cool teams. Just a straight dividing line for good versus evil. If you see an orc in Lord of the Rings you know it’s evil. Some kind of planetary invasion. It doesn’t have to be vampires or orcs, but just some unifying evil. This is what I set up in Halloween special. However a LOT of people were turned and a lot of people died. A LOT.
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Post by claypot on Mar 9, 2018 17:12:44 GMT -5
I thought of maybe instead of redoing Spider-Man's origin with the whole spider bite and Uncle Ben's death, Peter becomes a lab rat for Norman Osborn's genetic experiments with spider DNA in him but not turning him into a spider creature. Both May and Ben would look younger, with Peter being a solider with other animal based agents like Vulture and Scorpion. Ben's death is the reason Peter becomes Spider-Man, but in this version Ben is alive and May becomes evil. I like to see an evil version of Aunt May and she'll look like her character in Homecoming.
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Post by goncet on Mar 9, 2018 17:16:08 GMT -5
Dan and I had some fun ideas we were workshopping early in this thread. I particularly like the idea of Reed and Doom never falling out and forcing their idea of peace onto the world. Although that's probably far too limiting for what we want to do but I think that sort of drastic change that reshapes the whole world would be fun to work with.
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Post by bkole on Mar 9, 2018 17:35:08 GMT -5
If I might suggest, if only because I like the visuals (and I know this doesn't tie into your Captain Britain idea, Gavin) but Avengers 1,000,000 BC were a fun collection of individuals.
Equally, I know it was a bit pants, but the whole "Axis" thing was fun in that it turned established villains on their heads, and the same with heroes.
Also, Kluh is a great sound byte and visual but appalling execution.
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Post by travis on Mar 9, 2018 17:55:34 GMT -5
No interest in anything ',Ultimate' but moving the MU to a different time period would definitely have my attention.
Otherwise, no strong opinion on the other ideas offered. Let me know what the majority decides and I'll be happy to play in whatever new sandbox you guys make.
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Post by DD Doyle on Mar 9, 2018 18:59:05 GMT -5
Were we moving into other time periods I'm quite fond of Europe circa the Holy Roman Empire or high Victorian England BUT actually in all this talk of other times, several periods in the past have been mentioned but what about moving the characters into the future? Blade Runner-esque mayhaps?
Captain America could be someone from the present for example frozen in stasis and awoken in the future, instead of someone from the past awoken in the present, etc.
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Post by travis on Mar 9, 2018 20:10:37 GMT -5
Were we moving into other time periods I'm quite fond of Europe circa the Holy Roman Empire or high Victorian England BUT actually in all this talk of other times, several periods in the past have been mentioned but what about moving the characters into the future? Blade Runner-esque mayhaps? Captain America could be someone from the present for example frozen in stasis and awoken in the future, instead of someone from the past awoken in the present, etc. The idea of having a marvel U that occurred in the future and cap being awoken in that future instead of 'now' has potential. Cap would be the same version but adjusting to a very different era and everybody else would have begun then. Would Hank Pym be tiny because he was working on nano-tech instead of ants? Would Vision be unique or would androids be commonplace? Etc. Could work.
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Post by brawl2099 on Mar 10, 2018 1:08:02 GMT -5
If I might suggest, if only because I like the visuals (and I know this doesn't tie into your Captain Britain idea, Gavin) but Avengers 1,000,000 BC were a fun collection of individuals. Equally, I know it was a bit pants, but the whole "Axis" thing was fun in that it turned established villains on their heads, and the same with heroes. Also, Kluh is a great sound byte and visual but appalling execution. I would love am extended version of Axis or mirror mirror...
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Post by Stephen Crosby on Mar 10, 2018 7:44:22 GMT -5
If I might suggest, if only because I like the visuals (and I know this doesn't tie into your Captain Britain idea, Gavin) but Avengers 1,000,000 BC were a fun collection of individuals. Equally, I know it was a bit pants, but the whole "Axis" thing was fun in that it turned established villains on their heads, and the same with heroes. Also, Kluh is a great sound byte and visual but appalling execution. The best part of Axis was Superior Iron Man...and Mighty Avengers...and Carnage....aw heck, the whole thing was a lot of great fun. Somewhere in my hard drive is a plot outline for Avengers 1K, and there's the kernel of an idea for M2K BC.
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